What is an MCP and Why You Need to Use It

But the thing is like at that time like we heard about it but we weren't sure how to like use it because there wasn't many examples but today like all the companies are actually implementing their own MCPS like whatever product you are using if you search product name MCP like let's say you are using box MCP you will find that they have an MCP implementation which is probably mcp.box.com box.com and then you go to your chip p or cloud or whatever you know AI product you are using and then you connect with it as a connector and once you connect with your with it then you're going to be able to do anything that their API has. Hi, my name is Dmitri Bonichi and I'm a content creator, agency owner and AI enthusiast. You're listening to the AI agents podcast brought to you by Jot

Form and featuring our very own CEO and founder Idakin Tank. This is the show where artificial intelligence meets innovation, productivity, and the tools shaping the future of work. Enjoy the show. Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of the AI Agents Podcast. In this episode, I'm here within and we're talking about MCPs. How you doing? >> Hey, uh I'm doing great. Uh yeah, it's it's the um yeah, September and um we are we are back doing our episodes uh once per week. So I'm glad that we are able to do that more episodes. >> Yeah. >> And it's been so well. >> You know, we've we've been interviewing a lot of different founders, but we we like to we like to talk to our favorite founder, you know, and uh we we we've missed you on the show, and I'm sure everyone else has.

So, we're really really excited to to dive into this one. And and for for those of you that aren't aware, you know, MCPs are a topic that has come up in the last couple months more popular. Uh we're going to dive into what it means, uh how it got started, and um also show you some practical examples so that you understand how it works and obviously show you the Jot Form MCP, which for those of you that are unaware, what's really cool is um Claude kind of the first company to pioneer uh the MCP protocol and for our fans here as you can see we're featured on there which is awesome. So, it's a really great uh thing to be featured here on the on the page where in the premiere partner page where you know it feels like uh MCP reigns supreme because of

uh what Claw did in the introduction here is uh the MCP protocol was or just to state the full name the multal context protocol was essentially a open-source uh protocol that uh is standard for connecting AI assistance to system where data lives. So what's really great about this protocol is that a lot of companies have essentially adopted this uh and it's a really great way for communication to occur between the uh data in a less uh I would say stringent manner. Um to the to those of you that want to get a good look at it, this is a good explanation. So before MCP, right, what you essentially have is a bunch of unique APIs and those unique APIs essentially have specific input output fields, so to speak, right? And what you're attempting to do is have the LLM interact with that, which is a

little bit difficult. However, uh especially when you're adding in multiple tools at once, right? You ask a question and there's a bunch of different tools that are needed, right, to essentially uh do a task, find something, enact a a process, whatever it is, like send a Slack message and like add something to your Google Drive. Say for example, you know, you're interacting with a set of data and you want to send a message and do that. It was very difficult because you're essentially having to take all these unique fieldbased uh APIs and have it try to interact with the LLM at once. But this one protocol, as you can see, takes it from this one unique angle and then pipes it into this one specific let's say uh language like so to speak, right? It's a it's a unique uh protocol and language that all

of them are able to speak universally. So the LLM can then interact with multiple tools at once in a very natural conversational way the same that we you know the way that we naturally experience um interacting with a LLM right when we asking a questions >> I like the words like unified API there like uh on the chart you are you this right here >> basically um so what it does is um it you know all these products they have an API But integrating with an API is not easy for an LM because everybody implements a different kind of a API and it's not very clear. It's they're usually not very well documented. >> Usually like when you're integrating with a product like you have to read the documentation. It absolutely developer has to read the documentation, learn it and then use it, right? But

with the MCP protocol basically all those documentations are kind of included in uh with the API and kind of uh you define how the API works and also the integration with the kind of like the authentication is also in uh included for example in the case of Jot form MCP the first time you are actually let's say integrating your uh Jot form MCP with with your chi BT or cloud basically it's going to it's going to show a popup or a Jatform connect popup and you will authenticate with Jatform so basically from that point on um Chetch GPT or uh or cloud actually knows your which account uh you have and then it has a connection to it. So after that point, anytime like you want to do something, let's say you want to create a form, basically um it's going to be able to

go into your account and be able to create a form. If you integrate with Gmail, uh it's going to get be able to go into your Gmail account do and do things. Um so basically it's and I love um I somewhere I heard that basically someone was actually making a compression to USPC. Basically, it's USBC for >> for the AP AIS. Um, so USBC in in the real world, right? Before USBC, every hardware device actually had their own implementation of of their like uh you know plugs of their like the cables, right? Uh you had a different one for Android, you had a different one for Apple, iPhone, like different like all kinds of different things. And >> yeah, >> typically with USBC now you can connect anything to anything. USBC doesn't just uh you know brings power to your device but it also can

transfer data which means like the way you connect your microphone to your computer. Uh instead of connecting your uh microphone to your computer, you can actually connect it to your phone as well and it's going to work. And this time it's going to actually probably bring power from your phone to your microphone and also be able to like send data from your microphone to your phone. So it's whatever devices that you integrated it's it will work. Um the MCP the model context protocol works the same way. uh basically your LLM can now understand the API like what kind of functionality is available with that product and the other thing is it doesn't have to be a product it doesn't have to be like as you shown on this screen uh slack or draw Google drive or github it can also be integrated with your database

if you create an API for your database you can even integrate your MCP your LLM with your desktop which means like can say things like okay uh on my you on my computer find these kind of files. Basically if you have that MTP implementation uh it's going to be able to use it like an API to query your file system your operating system to be able to do things in your computer as well. So basically you can turn anything not just other products uh into uh connected with with with your AI and uh this gives you so much power and it's like you know the agentic AI the um you know that's the power of the agentic age being able to do anything from from your uh you know AI and and MCP has been around for a while. Uh it's like the article you

showed us >> was November of last year. Uh yeah it's been it's almost uh one year but the thing is like at that time like we heard about it but we weren't sure how to like use it because there wasn't many examples but today like all the implementation which is probably MCP box.com and then you go to your CHP or cloud or whatever uh you know AI product you are using and then you connect with it as a connector and once you connect with your uh with it then you're going to be able to do anything that their API has suddenly your basically your chat the chatbot actually turns into an agent for you and uh it's it's amazing I know that you have some uh >> no you're good no that's Good expl. No, I think that's that's a great thing to point out

and I really like the analogy. I'm not sure who said it, but I think the analogy that you you said just there for uh the USBC is actually really really good one, right? because there's so many different tools out there right now um and so many different APIs that exist and I'm familiar with having to attempt to connect APIs to I mean obviously you do you know as someone who's a software founder like it it it's like you need people who are when you're hiring them you even need developers that are like API developers right like specific types of developers at that point to to connect stuff so like there will be entire people had companies like yourself, I'm sure, that are developers that are catered towards more integr like an integrations developer because of the complexity of each API, right? I don't know if

maybe that's how you staff it, but >> like whenever we need to integrate Javform with uh with a third party like we have like a team that's like literally working for a month >> to build an integ like they are writing like hundreds of lines of code. they have to spend time reading the documentation for let's say box >> and then understand their API and like just >> think about how AI uh how Jatform can be integrated with them and build that integration but in the age of uh MCP you can actually do that uh the AI can actually do that like we don't our developers don't have to work on that and um this is you know theoretically possible but you know we haven't actually worked on that But I I think that's an amazing idea and >> yeah and that that that's really

the value there, right? It that makes that makes it so much easier to to I mean expand the scope of connections between tools and that's what everybody ultimately wants. And um just you know last note on the you know you remember what it was like to have a million cables in your bag. I still have a couple right but it's getting less and less because USBC is so is so good. And you know, just to call out, you mentioned the capabilities of uh MCPS when it comes to connecting with like your email. Let me show you some of the core ones that essentially if you go here inside of your claude, you have the ability to connect tools uh that are like Gmail oriented. And this is the connectors list as you can see here. And you could add in custom connectors, right? And you'll

see Idkin's going to go into connecting Jot Form here in a second, but you know, I could add um I could even add my notion one real quick if I wanted just to kind of show you in Claude how it works. But it's essentially a really easy um process. All you got to do is go and find the proper MCP, right? And uh MCP URL. So I'm here on Claude's website. Copy notion, >> right? I go back, >> paste it in there. >> I trust it. And then it's going to ask me to connect, right? Through your through, as everybody knows, your classic like OOTH uh authentication, right? So, it's really not hard at all. I just connected my notion account. Like, that was so easy and I have the ability to interact with it now. and they have suggested ones by default set up

in in products like chatebt and claude right now like your Google drives or shareepoints etc. So, I was, you know, we deal with a lot of, uh, PR agencies for people coming and reaching out and saying, "Hey, we want this person would be a good fit for the show, right?" Um, and I was asking someone on my team, I was like, "Hey, uh, can you like find all of them? I'm sure like we you could just go through the inbox and check." And then Idken mentioned we were going to do this MCP episode and I was like, "Hm." And then I typed into Claude with my connected Gmail and I said, "Can you go through my email and find all the people who work at PR agencies and their companies?" And what it did is it, you know, figured out some examples of PR agencies

on the internet. And then from there, it searched through my messages and checked all the potential podcast guest like inquiries >> and checked whether they were like from specific people themselves or whether they were from PR agencies. and we found a bunch of people that were reaching out, right? And it's like, "Oh, that's the list. Thanks." Cuz my buddy's like, or not, my buddy, sorry, my teammate was like, "Uh, I think it might take me like an hour or two to find all that." And then I put this in here. And quite literally, it took I think the time there might be a report on how long it took. I'm not sure. I recall somewhere in the five minute range, four minute range, which is actually kind of crazy as fast if you think about it practically because if you're going to go through and

sort through it yourself, probably would take you an hour or two hours. And that's some of the practical implications of of MCP. You can ask questions to tools rather than needing to sort through the information itself, if that makes sense. And and you can also ask it to turn this into an Excel file or a CSV file. You can upload Google Drive. >> You you can even probably integrate with Google Drive and let's say turn this into a Google Google Sheets >> and upload it to and then upload it to Google Sheets. Yeah. Once you turn into teet um then your maybe the next time you could say create draft emails for these uh people uh telling them okay here is our currently um you know for uh and and then if you decide to u have have them in our um podcast >> then

you can all you have to do is like click on send on that draft it's already ready uh and then you just uh automation handled everything and you just made the approval part of that uh workflow of basically. >> Yeah, it's pretty incredible. And you'll see with uh what ID and will get into as well. You can put allow unsupervised for and and maybe this is what we were seeing beforehand, but if I press like allow unsupervised, what'll happen is essentially if I work with notion, right, >> it has the different things that the API can do in here. And essentially when I'm asking it to do stuff, it'll semantically figure out all of these different events. So if I for example were to say make a notion page for XYZ or in the case of the Google drive like you said, make a make

a file like this is the capabilities it has and it's just going to do it naturally rather than in a uh specific formatted way that you have to do. If anyone famili is here and familiar with APIs, uh it's it's a skill set, right? Like I'm very good at it. There's not a lot of people I know personally uh that aren't developers that spend a lot of time making a lot of automations that are like high level. Sure, people can put together a Zapier thing, but when you get into complicated workflows, I think this is going to open up a lot of uh realms for people to not even need to go that route and they can just ask questions and chat with it. And uh unlike me who would be like, I'm going to make an automation real quick to backfill a bunch of

information cuz that would save me time, but I'm really quick at making it. Other people probably not. Now, random person on the team, now that they know this is an option, they can go into our Claude account and just type up and ask questions about the Gmail. So, it's not as much of a problem. >> Yeah, it's cool. I'm going to show the Jatform example now. >> Uh share my screen. Um first I'm going to show you like um yeah you show the cloud I will let me show you the chip one. The same things actually work on cloud as well. I'm sure it also work on Gemini. I haven't tried that one. >> Uh basically um you have all these you know u main ones here. So on chv. But if you want to add your own, you click on this create button and

you as you can see just from here uh it actually came from that but I going to show you how to do that. Basically new connector it says icon is optional but I will give you uh Jot form form builder or something like that. I already use Jot for name and I enter the uh basically the um uh the MCP server URL which for Jotform mcp.jutform.com chatform.com and o and I trust this application. That's it. And uh you you get this URL from whatever product you want to connect uh from there. And then you say create and this is going to basically look at mc mcb.jotform.com. It's going to find out about all the available options uh for for this product to be able to used. And so basically it's integrating with that um so uh yeah so integrated with Jotform form builder connected save

to scan MCP J form. So what actions it can take we can see it here. It can show me a list of the JT form forms I have. It can create a new form. It can edit an existing form. It can create a submission. Uh basically like just like I would uh you know submit a form. I could create submission by just typing at this to my form submission and it can actually get my form submissions so that I can basically query my form submissions and I'm going to show that next. Um >> Mhm. >> So uh so basically on CHP now like you have to open the developer mode to be able to use it >> which is like you know go here and then it it just shows developer mode. um as soon as you add I don't know why this uh but

I guess it's just in the future probably you will not be able need to do that but for now it's just chip just introduced this recently so uh maybe that's why they wanted to hide it a little bit but basically here you can enable it or you can connect to another product uh right now because I'm just connected to Jatform it's showing it here in my query it can I can enable it or disable it it's enabled now so Okay. Um, so we have uh we had a launch party. Uh, I want to create a survey. Create a survey uh in jot form uh for our launch party. Yeah. Uh, basically I asked that. Let's see how it performs. So basically it's looking at the available tools uh using the API tool. It's using the create form function in Jot form and it's asking me

to confirm. U so now it's going to jot form using the MCP to create a form for me on my account. Oh, it's ready. Wow, it even has this uh you know celebration icon. You can access and share it here. Launch party survey. Let's take a look at this uh launch party survey name. I like the name. Email RSVP. Um diet. It sounds like this is for an um you know like this is like an RSVP. So this this is not really a survey. Um so I want to change it a little bit. I want to change it uh recreated because the survey is for a past party. So we want to uh get their feedback. I wasn't clear on that. So um so it's going to go ahead and uh create a new new form for me. Okay, that was fast. Look at the

new one. Uh, feedback survey for past launch party. I would probably edit this to say uh just launch party name, email, overall experience. Perfect. It's great. I will have five and Uh okay. And uh okay, I will submit this. But I submitted this. But I want to make a change. Uh I want to uh like change the title. Change the title and remove past. Let's see how it will do that. So basically I'm like instead of using Javon's form builder I'm now actually updating uh my my my form by just talking to HBD. I don't have even have to learn Jot form. I could just like I could just be someone who have never visited Jot form. I guess I have to create an account. Uh so uh let's take a look at the updated form feedback survey. Uh looks like it wasn't able to

change that. Um okay. Uh so okay um launch part of feedback. Sorry titled it says titled but doesn't seems to be seems to have changed it. Um so yeah I mean it's uh sometimes they will do things like that uh okay um uh I will I will try again change the title of the form. Oh I think it's just changing the title. Uh I think it's like a headline of the form to uh to party uh feedback. >> Okay. I think it mean like so in jot form you can actually change the title of the page. Uh my guess is it changed that. Let me take a look at that. Uh uh uh probably why it made that. Okay, let's take a look at this one. Okay. Yeah, this time it worked. Part the feedback. We we your feedback. So, let's give another feedback. So,

now I have two submissions on my form. So, both five. Let's submit this. And now I'm going to go back to So, I'm going to go back here and I'm going to ask like um analyze the results. the results of the survey um form uh and um and uh yeah just analyze it. That's it. >> So it's basically getting the data. Um okay uh it found two submissions from me. Um and event rated at highest 5.5 both submissions. So now I have an analysis of my submissions. I haven't even like looked at uh job forms results. Um can you create some charts? some charts. Yeah. So now um from this analysis it will probably create um charts about my feedbacks like you know five star ratings. Okay. Yeah. Uh overall experience two number of responses two and then ratings five. So it's it's showing me

a distribution of my ratings here and it's showing like overall experience five. Maybe I should have picked four so that it has some more colors but >> um is it basically I'm using Jot Form without going to Jot Form. Uh and this is amazing and um so basically this means that uh just like what you showed uh the >> Gmail uh examples basically uh you can use products from your chipd uh the other features released right was it called tasks >> there was tasks yep >> like you actually create you could say actually say okay go and do this every day So now basically you can ask it to send you a and then you can also send an email using Gmail uh using MCP right so you can you could just say okay every day look at my results and then create a chart

and then email that chart to me that's it and uh basically it's that simple it's like just uh human your human language it's like you don't have to learn how to use Jatform UI like we have spent thousands of ours you know optimizes Jatform's UI user experience but you don't need that you can just go go to ch connect it with Jatform or whatever products you are using and then just talk it's just you know using the UI you don't need to learn UIs anymore like this is the result like you don't actually have to learn products you can use products without ever learning their UI by just typing and I just I I actually tried Like I was thinking like what if I could I use voice uh on my mobile phone. This this wasn't still available on voice but here I see that

there's a voice mode as well. So you can basically talk to any product. You don't even have to type. You can just talk to you can say okay write this email for me or something like that. Just and uh and the AI is going to handle everything for you. It's just this is amazing. just there's just like >> where do you think this is going to like take us in uh regards to the tools like chatbt and claude because I remember when I was interviewing someone the other day they basically were saying maybe claude and chatbt and specifically chatbt more so will essentially become this like monolith tool that's just connecting to a bunch of different tools and it's the source point you know like maybe chat GPT won't be uh any well it'll it'll essentially just be this amazing connection tool where you're doing

all of your work from the specific chat. >> I think it makes sense. Uh it makes total sense to me because now you can integrate >> uh we have the agent mode on JGPT. >> Uh we have the uh you know the MCP >> now you can connect it with other products and you can actually do lots of things from uh HPD. But the thing is you you are still using the other products, right? It's not like HPT creates the uh form for you. The other product actually makes that you have a good form. It's hosted by Jot Form. It has all the you know security and hosting and all the features of Jot Form for you. But basically you are managing them from your CHP interface. Um so I think that that's a good analysis. I agree with that. Um it also makes it

so easy for you. Like I the biggest problem with automation is like learning the tools, right? Um I wrote the book automate your busy work and the when I was when I talked to people about like when I was writing the book when I was talking to people about automation and the biggest problem was that like they don't actually take the time to research all the automation tools that are available at that time. >> Sure. uh like they don't like even if you find the product like you have to learn it and then you learn it and at like the last minute you figure that it actually misses the most important feature you need and then so you have to switch to another product maybe or uh it it doesn't even work for you things like that but here you have the chat GPT interface

where you can actually ask like okay find me the best product for this and once you find that best product for you uh you just have to you know create an account that's it and then you talk to chip and ask it to do things and you describe in your own words you don't have to learn that UI you don't have to learn the buzzwords of that specific area like uh let's say you're going to do a PR campaign right uh maybe you need to find this PR product you don't even know what to do but if you talk to ship and say okay I'm going to do a PR campaign I have a product launch coming up uh what do I need to It tells you, okay, you can do this. You can email, you know, reporters, you can email, you know, you can

go to uh podcast, things like that, right? It tells you what to do. Okay, next. Okay, how can I do this? How can I join podcast, right? Uh and then maybe it will find you a product that can actually like has all the podcasts, listening podcast, and then um you can actually ask it to like turn that into a CSV file or something. And then >> you can actually ask sh okay use my MCP connection with Gmail to create drafts to send a launch email for these reporters for these bloggers or podcasters and it's just going to create those things for you. So basically uh you you you're also learning how to do things. You're also learning how to like in the past like automation was about first you do it yourself manually and then you automate those things. Now you can actually bring in

all that you know the domain knowledge is also included and the usage of the products are also included and you just ask shipp to to do these things for you. Uh this kind of reminds me of being like a you're like a CEO or you are a manager right? You have all these uh talented people working for you. You have the PR people. You have the you know uh people junior employees who can just you know all day email people right and all you are doing is basically like managing them right it feels like that instead of having all those people you have the AI and then you learn things from AI just like a manager who learns from the people who are really um you know who are proficients in in one area. Yes. what should we do about this right you ask and

then when they say okay you we need to do this and then you say okay how do we do this which products do we use like what do we do next steps and then you don't stop there you and go out of chip you keep using uh AI to do as well and that's the agentic area I think the promise of the agentic area is not just doing research with AI but also taking actions and automating all the things you do uh without AI No, I I it's a very good point. You know, there's a lot of like um there's a lot of people are going to start realizing that the capabilities that you get out of AI when it comes to communication are going to continue to improve. They're going to continue to sound better. They're going to continue to be more streamlined and

effective. And managing people versus managing AI is night and day to be frank. And if you, you know, we start getting systems put together where AI is managing workflows, um, especially when it comes to responses, if you have a pretty standard way of operating, it's going to save companies a lot of time. It's going to be really effective. And, and what I think is interesting is I've heard a lot of the people we've interviewed on the show recently say people are going to start needing AI departments in their companies. And the reason for that is that you have all this innovation with products, right? You have all this innovation with MCPs, for example. I feel like nobody in my company is really taking advantage of utilizing chat GBT and Claude to the level that you know I would want them to, right? And MCPs are

this unlock and all these things are amazing. So I internally think >> I'm going to I'm going to disagree with you on that >> because you remember like in the past like it was all about how to write prompts, right? >> You had to be really good at prompt writing, right? >> Prompt engineering was this new kind of uh position where companies are going to hire. But the thing what happened was AI got so much better at understanding you. You didn't have to write so prompt so well anymore that AI could you could you you just wrote whatever you want and AI understood what you're trying to do. The same way I don't think you will need AI people in your company >> because AI is also making things so simple >> that again you just tell it okay I need I want to do

this and it tells you how to do it >> and I feel like we are not there as you know this you know MCP stuff I had to figure it out right it took me a while uh I mean MCP has been out in November and we haven't really you know we knew that it was powerful but until I started using in the last weeks that I figured out, oh, okay, this is amazing. This is a big moment. >> Yeah, as well was in a similar position. I I like even though I have my finger on the pulse of of what's going on, I guess maybe what I was trying to get at is like >> Yeah, that's a fair point. I think it'll get easier. I I am actually, you know, probably you disagree with them, but they they're the the conversations that came

up was essentially having a department of a couple people not necessarily teaching people at the company how to do day-to-day um AI stuff, but implement like companywide solutions, you know, like in order to reduce the need for hiring and stuff like that. Um but, you know, um I'm open to hearing different ideas on it. I think in general just companies companies need to find a way to implement this stuff quickly because it is actually interesting there was that study done where essentially like 95% of agentic uh people were saying like I for I'm trying to remember which one it was but uh new AI study 95% not uh valuable. There's some there was a new one. Yeah. Okay. So the there's a viral MIT studying contain claiming that 95% of AI pilots fail >> and what's so funny about this is people are saying it's

flawed methodology right uh in the study right it's not like actually that true um but the fact of the matter is I do think that you know we are in our own little bubble and know how it works the value that exist it's it's Actually, in my opinion, when people are like, "Oh, it doesn't work AI or whatever." I don't think it's a matter of the products aren't good enough at all, right? It's people not thinking of creative ways to use AI. Same thing was the case for automation, right? Like companies still right now in knowledge work are like a decade behind on Zapier and Make.com and N8N stuff, right? That's why these startups are actually doing so well even though they have less people. It's because these big companies and even medium-sized companies are just long on this stuff. And what I'm just guess

I'm getting across is there is this gap it seems like and I don't know how to bridge it between how good something like an MCP is the average person just not using it at work when they could save hours a day at their job but they just don't know how to do it right. So, I don't know what how to bridge that gap, but I think the more I interview people, the more I realize it's not like the tools are not good enough. You know what I'm saying? Like the tools are clearly good enough, but the, you know, people aren't using them well. >> I think it's just the regular adoption life cycle. Um, like it takes a while. Uh, so there's the, uh, people who are open to new things and new technologies, who are constantly trying new things. they're kind of like you

know um leading the way and then then they discover it and then gradually people start using it. So like uh all these uh on YouTube or everywhere like the all these talks about like how the AGI or super intelligence all that stuff is going to end the world in 2026 or something. >> Well, of course it is. Idkin, what are you talking about? We're all going to die. I'm just kidding. The thing is the adoption like people don't adopt that fast right uh people people adopt so much slowly so you know those time skills they make sense for AI but it doesn't make sense for people but people will adopt and it's going to take a while but people will adopt I'm seeing this uh like because you know just example online forms right I started jot form in 2006 >> it's like almost two

decades ago Uh it's going to be almost two years in February. Uh uh 20 years in February almost like it's going to be 20 years in February. That's huge amount of time. And the the market for online forms was like really small at that time because not many people were looking for online forms. They didn't even know like you know online forms was a thing. H but then that that's that adoption like the transition great like it there was this growth during this time and there was this big jump during the pandemic because people started like stopped using paper and then started like using digital forms more there was this big five-year jump in during the pandemic >> but there's this like and the the adoption with people it takes more time >> and and even like we are we are constantly talking about AI

and I've been aware of the power of MCP but you know I haven't been really playing with it all this time but now it's just like chip also added it and I started seeing it and then Jot for we also released the MCP uh you know product and then we suddenly started seeing like other people using it and I also I started looking into it and started using it daily and that's when I saw that this is so powerful this is huge even for us like we are doing a podcast about AI agents. >> We haven't been like really using the MCP so it takes a while and it's it's because uh people take time and it's normal and but in a couple of years I think this is going to be like you know people will be aware of it and then more people

will be using it. Well, I think what's interesting and you know, you you brought up a good point because I I've had skeptics kind of come to to us and try to do episodes and stuff and you know, obviously we we just pretty much interview founders and and people who are pretty high on AI and I think you're making a good point like I don't really see a lot of the gloom and doom because even if there's a bunch of like tech improvement, I just don't see the adoption being followed as quickly as you're saying. So, it's like I feel like regulation and stuff like I think we'll be fine. It's like I'm I'm pretty like positive on AI. I I don't have any of that gloom and doom in me. I think, you know, if no one even knows it exists, right, for the

for the most part with these different protocols and these things, it's like if there's anything negative about them, the adoption is going to be so low and it's going to take, you know, all I'm getting at is I'm I'm positive on AI. I think everyone should be positive in general on this stuff. >> Yeah. If you if you if you weren't positive about it, we we wouldn't be doing this podcast. >> Yeah. No, we wouldn't be doing the show. Exactly. But, you know, some people >> every day we are we are talking to people who are like struggling you know with their work and like they are under so much busy work. They are they are still under busy work even with this AI and it's you know I'm not seeing any people who are saying oh now AI is like saved me so much

work I don't work anymore. No people who are adopting AI, they are actually working harder. So uh I you know I haven't seen anybody you know uh getting losing their jobs because of AI in like our like our AI agents are like now handling like half of our support customer support at Jot Form but we now need more support people because our support people aren't spending more time with things like you know reviewing all the AI conversations or like you know like just reviewing all the like menu of the um things AI is doing like just there are like so many things they are still doing and um so this is in general with automation when you do automate things uh you stop doing those boring things but you still you still have more work because uh you know you you find better ways to

use your time to be more productive >> and you know what a lot of people are saying as well in the interviews which I think this is a great example of it is people are going to go from doing People are saying, "Oh, you know what? This is going to cause us to do less work, right?" But the real thing I'm hearing from a lot of people is it's not going to cause us to do less work. It's going to cause us to do better work, right? Like more fulfilling and effective work. If I'm able to take that hour away from my employee just to do the stupid thing of like looking in the email inbox, right? that leaves him time not to do more stuff, but if his role hasn't quite changed, it's just more effective use of his time, you know, and like

more effective work, more fulfilling work. The more that we can reduce the, you know, I keep saying this phrase, not to like belabor the point, but AI is essentially the full vision in my opinion of what and especially with something like MCP, I think this really showcases it. It's the vision of what Steve Jobs said. A computer would be a bicycle for the mind, right? If if typing into a little box and it doing everything on the computer you want it to do on multiple different tools isn't a bike bicycle for the mind, I don't know what is right cuz we have still been limited by like we just even talked about APIs in a sense are like it opens the world up but it's still limited to very technical people and you have to spend months getting it in integrated on tools. But now

you just type in a little chat box and it makes a dang form on a tool that has nothing to do with chat GPT. You know, I mean, you have to be an >> developer like you have to know how to code to be able to implement something with an API in the past. But now, uh, you could just ask CHP, okay, you know, use this API to do this and then it will just do that. And because that wasn't very like um you know the quality wasn't that high they came up with this idea of MCP which means like the MCP is like an API but has like more details like it can authenticate the user it can provide the documentation to the AI so that it can understand what uh the API can do. So and the uh basically this protocol allows AI

to understand how the API works. So now when you talk to uh the chip pt you can describe what you need and it's going to be able to use the AI. It it doesn't even has to write the code. It's just connecting to to API. It's in its own language. Basically, it's translating your language into uh maybe it's doing some uh pre-thinking but other than that it's basically translating your words into the language of the API and then it's talking to it in a different language to the to the other server other computer uh in in the MCP language and basically it's doing those things for you because it knows how to talk to computer. So what really makes AI so powerful is it knows how to do in different languages, right? It can write in code languages. It can it can it can talk

in code. It can talk in API. It can talk in talk to human. Basically AI is kind of like this translator. U so it's a different way to look at MTP. Anyways, >> I agree. No, I I think you're you're totally right. Um and if there's anything else, you know, I think I think that kind of puts us in a good spot to close the episode out. Uh do you have any other kind of like closing thoughts just in general or is that pretty much where you think we can we can close it out? >> Yeah, I think this is it. I I feel like the potential for MCP is huge and we are just discovering it like people are just discovering it and um just uh we are going to see so many good things h happening with the MCP and more and more

products are using it. Uh so you know whatever product you are using today just go go and look for their MCP implementation and this will actually and then try using them uh over CHP and you will discover so many ways to automate your busy work and you know that's amazing >> you know I I'd say last but not least obviously go check out Joff agents and try implementing the uh MCP into claude or open or whatever it is but I I I I I think it's it's it's a it's sobering, you know, that the two of us weren't quite aware of how this stuff worked functionally cuz we hadn't used it even a couple weeks ago, a month ago, whatever it was for you. For me, it was a couple weeks ago. And you may be listening to every one of our episodes. And if

that's the case, I'm not sure why you haven't subscribed or lived left a review yet, but um you know, it's all seriousness like this is the type of stuff that will practically make your work life way better. Okay. So, like please try and check this out for yourself. We're going to encourage you to do that. Um, we're not just, you know, a big value I think that we bring on this show is we're not just shoving Jot Form AI agents down people's throats. We're like trying to practically show them tools and ways to save time and do more at work. So, please check it out. We really appreciate each and every one of what you all are doing. And, uh, with that being said, thanks for watching and we'll see you in the next one. Bye. >> Thank you for watching. Bye-bye. [Music]